Perhaps the WEF and their minions plan to reduce the population by at least 90%, thus making EVs viable for those who remain...of course finding enough people to do all of the myriad tasks to mine the materials and produce the vehicles is another matter.
Ah bullocks.... you can't fill up petrol/gas at home so those 2000 cars will have already charged at home and won't need the station anywhere near as often as petrol cars do, therefore the area required is not as this article suggests. But keep going with the tunnel vision it's great and very helpful to society,
I'm going to mark you down on the EV believer side of the ledger. I really don't argue its going to happen. The car companies are telling us this. My beef is I just don't think the tech and infrastructure is where it needs to be and it's becoming, and will continue to be a "Dog's Breakfast." Cheers
A young company called Neo Battery is working on new tech that will shorten charge times from hours to minutes. There are several others working on cleaner, lighter, longer lasting batteries. Still, the tech is likely a few years away. Mister Market will solve the problem when the economics are right. Meanwhile, we continue to make our politicians and China richer with fat government subsidies and a gross misallocation of resources.
It's not just governement that misallocates resources, it is that they also direct everybody else to follow disorted policies that lead to massive misallocation and lost opportunities for everyone
Great piece of writing here. He failed to mention Patrick Moore who founded Greenpeace and has walked away because of the radical takeover of the program and has written and talked vociferously about the delusion of EV. His work is a wealth of info for all thinking people arming them with solid facts enabling them to dissuade people from falling into this trap....especially when confronting Gov't agencies and [on the take] politicians and bureaucrats. It is up to us to fight this scam!
Sorry Jack. It looks like one I ripped on LinkedIn. I got kicked off LI for making indelicate comments, so have no way to go back and access the original link. You can certainly share this link on Substack if you wish. Cheers
Many current governments are corrupt, and electric cars are just to get oil companies to pony up more campaign contributions. Electricity is not free on infinite. Batteries are made from minerals more rare than oil and getting those minerals causes pollution. When you compute the recharging issue needed for batteries you lose the case for electric vehicles. Recharging stations are LIMITED, so you limit where you can drive and when you can drive. Electricity for cars steals electricity for homes, businesses and weakens the power grid supply. So, you must have always have limited amount of electric cars unless you want everything else blacked out. So, we have corrupt and stupid politicians trying to foist a stupid idea on the public, meanwhile, certain groups/individuals get rich as long as the scam last.
An expert years ago told me that we would see EVs that go 1000 miles on a charge and charge in 15 minutes. I've seen EVs gradually improve since then. Motors will last a million miles. There is already an EV Tesla is making with very little cobalt. There are plentiful materials they can use.
EVs are coming. The question of electricity production is a big one. But the government should stay out of it. Private business solves problems. One possibility is that solar panels produce more. Mine only produce 16% of the energy that is there. If that improves, they could become very economical. At any rate, hard working people with freedom tend to solve problems.
Thanks for the info Rick. I am not an expert on EV's so I appreciate your input. I agree the government shouldn't be picking favorites. Market forces work the best. I also agree they are coming, but it's an open question to what extent and the ultimate penetration. Long term a lot of car manufacturers have announced plans to stop making ICE cars in the not too distant future, so EV's may be all we have. Cheers
Dave, where are the rare earth minerals mined that go into an E-Car and who owns the mines? Not what country the mines are located in but mine ownership. What is the projected mine ownership trend and what is the projected need of these rare earth minerals in, say, 2045-2050, as more and more car batteries need to be replaced AND coinciding with CA's push to be 100% green AND China's 100 year plan? Or, is there nothing to see here?
Hey MrH, this is a fairly complex question that to answer fully would take me a bit out of my core oil and gas niche. I have done enough work to say that estimates of the ability to provide rare earths at the scale required for EV's to really begin to dominate in the private car sector, are very, very optimistic and unlikely to be realized. As to the miners, this just has not been an area of focus for me, and I am unable to properly address that part of your question. I do have opinions on green energy generally and have discussed them in serveral articles on this site. Here is one on the Windfarm fallacy https://davemessler.substack.com/p/why-does-the-stock-price-of-all-the?s=w
I haven't really delved in to Canada's green push, choosing to focus more on the outstanding values in their oil and gas sector. I often refer to China in my writing. Their ambitions are pretty well known, and their activity in the oil markets is an essential factor in oil demand. China wants to dominate every aspect of global commerce, and has implemented their Belt and Road inititive in furtherance of that goal. Cheers!
Wow... interesting discussion here. I agree these agencies have a narrative and listen to no one who raises questions. If they did, then the portal would be open to dialogue. And, they can't have that as the science is settled, as you know. Cheers
Perhaps the WEF and their minions plan to reduce the population by at least 90%, thus making EVs viable for those who remain...of course finding enough people to do all of the myriad tasks to mine the materials and produce the vehicles is another matter.
Ah bullocks.... you can't fill up petrol/gas at home so those 2000 cars will have already charged at home and won't need the station anywhere near as often as petrol cars do, therefore the area required is not as this article suggests. But keep going with the tunnel vision it's great and very helpful to society,
I'm going to mark you down on the EV believer side of the ledger. I really don't argue its going to happen. The car companies are telling us this. My beef is I just don't think the tech and infrastructure is where it needs to be and it's becoming, and will continue to be a "Dog's Breakfast." Cheers
A young company called Neo Battery is working on new tech that will shorten charge times from hours to minutes. There are several others working on cleaner, lighter, longer lasting batteries. Still, the tech is likely a few years away. Mister Market will solve the problem when the economics are right. Meanwhile, we continue to make our politicians and China richer with fat government subsidies and a gross misallocation of resources.
Good comment. My view is that government is a horrible allocator of resources. Cheers
It's not just governement that misallocates resources, it is that they also direct everybody else to follow disorted policies that lead to massive misallocation and lost opportunities for everyone
Great piece of writing here. He failed to mention Patrick Moore who founded Greenpeace and has walked away because of the radical takeover of the program and has written and talked vociferously about the delusion of EV. His work is a wealth of info for all thinking people arming them with solid facts enabling them to dissuade people from falling into this trap....especially when confronting Gov't agencies and [on the take] politicians and bureaucrats. It is up to us to fight this scam!
I've seen some of this on Moore but haven't had the chance to follow up. Thanks for reminding me. Cheers
What SHOULD BE MANDATED is this:
EV's can only be charged using GREEN Energy - Wind & Solar...want "Green" then do it Green....otherwise Piss off
I like it. Great point. Cheers
And how will the hundreds of EV's trapped on winter roads covered with show and ice, with their batteries empty, be moved?
Easy. AAA will bring a bucket of electricity, pour in the battery and off they'll go. Cheers
How much of the energy used to power the car goes towards moving the battery versus how much gas it takes to move the gas tank.?
Gosh, I don't know. Somebody has run that calc. It's not me. Cheers
Japan's first bullet train was in 1964
Gosh I would love to have the discussion on one the articles I've written that we've had on this EV post. Hint, hint. Cheers
Can you provide a link to the original article by Dr. Jay Lehr and Tom Harris? Please let me know. Thanks, Jack
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Sorry Jack. It looks like one I ripped on LinkedIn. I got kicked off LI for making indelicate comments, so have no way to go back and access the original link. You can certainly share this link on Substack if you wish. Cheers
Many current governments are corrupt, and electric cars are just to get oil companies to pony up more campaign contributions. Electricity is not free on infinite. Batteries are made from minerals more rare than oil and getting those minerals causes pollution. When you compute the recharging issue needed for batteries you lose the case for electric vehicles. Recharging stations are LIMITED, so you limit where you can drive and when you can drive. Electricity for cars steals electricity for homes, businesses and weakens the power grid supply. So, you must have always have limited amount of electric cars unless you want everything else blacked out. So, we have corrupt and stupid politicians trying to foist a stupid idea on the public, meanwhile, certain groups/individuals get rich as long as the scam last.
I can't argue with anything you said. Thanks for leaving a comment. Cheers
An expert years ago told me that we would see EVs that go 1000 miles on a charge and charge in 15 minutes. I've seen EVs gradually improve since then. Motors will last a million miles. There is already an EV Tesla is making with very little cobalt. There are plentiful materials they can use.
EVs are coming. The question of electricity production is a big one. But the government should stay out of it. Private business solves problems. One possibility is that solar panels produce more. Mine only produce 16% of the energy that is there. If that improves, they could become very economical. At any rate, hard working people with freedom tend to solve problems.
Thanks for the info Rick. I am not an expert on EV's so I appreciate your input. I agree the government shouldn't be picking favorites. Market forces work the best. I also agree they are coming, but it's an open question to what extent and the ultimate penetration. Long term a lot of car manufacturers have announced plans to stop making ICE cars in the not too distant future, so EV's may be all we have. Cheers
Dave, where are the rare earth minerals mined that go into an E-Car and who owns the mines? Not what country the mines are located in but mine ownership. What is the projected mine ownership trend and what is the projected need of these rare earth minerals in, say, 2045-2050, as more and more car batteries need to be replaced AND coinciding with CA's push to be 100% green AND China's 100 year plan? Or, is there nothing to see here?
Hey MrH, this is a fairly complex question that to answer fully would take me a bit out of my core oil and gas niche. I have done enough work to say that estimates of the ability to provide rare earths at the scale required for EV's to really begin to dominate in the private car sector, are very, very optimistic and unlikely to be realized. As to the miners, this just has not been an area of focus for me, and I am unable to properly address that part of your question. I do have opinions on green energy generally and have discussed them in serveral articles on this site. Here is one on the Windfarm fallacy https://davemessler.substack.com/p/why-does-the-stock-price-of-all-the?s=w
I haven't really delved in to Canada's green push, choosing to focus more on the outstanding values in their oil and gas sector. I often refer to China in my writing. Their ambitions are pretty well known, and their activity in the oil markets is an essential factor in oil demand. China wants to dominate every aspect of global commerce, and has implemented their Belt and Road inititive in furtherance of that goal. Cheers!
Interesting. I hadn't heard that before. Cheers
Wow... interesting discussion here. I agree these agencies have a narrative and listen to no one who raises questions. If they did, then the portal would be open to dialogue. And, they can't have that as the science is settled, as you know. Cheers